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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Tap rooted trees. Reply with quote

I'm looking for trees which have a root that goes straight down without spreading far and wide.

The reason is that they're to be planted next to ponds and I don't want to crack the concrete walls or bases.

I know Cordylines from New Zealand and Scots Pine have such roots. Rowan is another tree that has been suggested. Apple trees don't work because I've just hooked out 8 of them with strong and vigorous spreading roots. Two tall copper beeches are next to go.

Anyone any suggestions?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh dear, kindred spirit....why are you going to destroy such beautiful trees?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I am thinking of doing instead, is to lop the Beeches to say 15 feet high.

This would probably keep the leaves on all winter but would restricting the height stop the roots from spreading? That would be the hope.

By the way, if I did lop them, it would be done in an extremely tasteful manner and a lot of people wouldn't realize they were lopped.

I've changed my back garden completely. Out has gone the orchard and grass and in have come ponds, sandstone patios, pea gravel drives. When it's finished, I hope it will an oasis of calm and peace with the sound of water. (And no sound of a lawnmower!) One of the apple trees, someone estimated (I think exagerated) that it had 5,000 apples. I just couldn't find anyone to take the apples. I got a JCB to bury them all in the end.

No-one seems to know anything about root styles of different trees. I thought I'd find a reference book but no luck.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't have thought that crababbles would be too much trouble in the root department. It is extremely rare for tree roots to crack the walls of a concrete pond even after years and years of growth. To be honest I think you may feel safer planting some of those that fall into the large shrub/small tree bracket such as holly, hazel, hawthorn etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

would you not have thought of making your own cider?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are looking for tap rooted trees seek out trees from areas where water is scarce. The tap root has developed to 'tap' deep into the soil for water reserves rather than spread out. So cordyline as mentioned, I reckon also Acacia and Trachycarpus. I believe many cypress and cedars also have tap roots.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kindredspirit wrote:
What I am thinking of doing instead, is to lop the Beeches to say 15 feet high.

This would probably keep the leaves on all winter but would restricting the height stop the roots from spreading? That would be the hope.


You may end up promoting root growth by carrying this out.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlackBird wrote:
If you are looking for tap rooted trees seek out trees from areas where water is scarce. The tap root has developed to 'tap' deep into the soil for water reserves rather than spread out. So cordyline as mentioned, I reckon also Acacia and Trachycarpus. I believe many cypress and cedars also have tap roots.


Thanks Blackbird,

Acacia and Fan Palm are two very good suggestions.

With regard to cedars, I have a blue cedar in the front garden and we dug a channel for a new pipe a distance away from it and the cedar's roots had spread out quite far.

Anyone any knowledge of the root system of the Staghorn Rhus tree?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GPI wrote:
kindredspirit wrote:
What I am thinking of doing instead, is to lop the Beeches to say 15 feet high.

This would probably keep the leaves on all winter but would restricting the height stop the roots from spreading? That would be the hope.


You may end up promoting root growth by carrying this out.


Thanks GPI,

That appears to knock that idea on the head then.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kindredspirit wrote:


With regard to cedars, I have a blue cedar in the front garden and we dug a channel for a new pipe a distance away from it and the cedar's roots had spread out quite far.


Bet they were weak roots though. An old gardener once told me that a way to divert roots away from house walls was to provide them with enough to drink away from the wall. To make sure they do not go to the wall in search of water. May work with your pond if you provide a moist area away from it.
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