Rose Identification Please

summer · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:33 pm Post subject: Rose Identification Please

Hello Guys again. I have 3 Different Roses growing in the Garden. I would love if somebody here, could Name them for me .Many thanks.

summer · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:38 pm Post subject:

Rose 2 and 3 are the same Rose.

Silver surfer · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:03 pm Post subject:

Sorry but roses are really hard.
There are hundreds of named cultivars.

Quote wiki..."There are over a hundred species and thousands of cultivars. "

Height/time of flowering/colour/number of petals/ scent/thorns/ leaves are all part of the calculation as to their name.

I can id your first.
It is Rosa rugosa.
It is unmistakable.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=rosa+rugosa&rlz=1C1GNAM_en-GBGB687GB687&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=971&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjGxs6y7ubNAhUKDMAKHUHfDUAQ_AUIBigB

You need a real rose expert to attempt the others.

summer · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 6:25 pm Post subject:

Rose 2 and 3 (which are the same rose) is a Scented One

Sue Deacon · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:23 pm Post subject:

Yes, the first is Rosa rugosa, unmistakable.

I think the second may be 'Peace'. I used to grow that one. If it is a very large rose with shiny, dark leaves and a good scent that would be about right, 80% sure.

The last is more difficult. As Silver surfer says there are SO many! But I would take an educated guess that it is one of David Austin's 'English Roses'. A little too peachy for 'English Miss' or 'Perdita'. But it might help to invest in a David Austin catalogue. But be careful - there are so many lovely roses in there, you might want to invest in more!

summer · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:21 pm Post subject:

Hi Guys,many thanks for the replies. After determined digging in the dark I found the soggy labels. The second rose is the Peace as Sue said, and third rose is called Lovers Meeting (hybrid tea rose). Thanks Silver surfer and Sue Deacon for your help with identifying the roses.

I am looking for a border (low growing preferably) for around a fountain, what do ye think of the Rosa Rugosa planted as a hedge? I would need around 15 shrubs of spread 1m.

Sue Deacon · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:14 am Post subject:

Rosa Rugosa makes a lovely, informal hedge, but it will sucker and grow the way it wants to. Depending on conditions it grows to a height of 3 to 5 feet.

It is a very tough, healthy plant and when the flowers have finished there are large, orange hips and lovely Autumn colour.

Silver surfer · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:57 am Post subject:

Sue Deacon · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:15 pm Post subject:

As if it isn't hard enough to identify roses (mislabelling) there is also the matter of 'sports'. I have a 'Just Joey' rose, I really love it's colour, but it tends to be flower shy. So I decided to buy 2 more and grow them together as one, large bush. Except the two new ones are a totally diferent colour. The old one, the same colour as the one I had in England, is a soft, dusky peach. The new ones are more orange. I think the original breeder might have something to say about that.

Also, I have a 'Bonica' that is 6ft tall, yet the books describe it as 'ground -cover'. Confused

Silver surfer · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:40 pm Post subject:

Rosa Bonica..seems to be conflicting info on www re this rose.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=rosa+bonica&rlz=1C1GNAM_en-GBGB687GB687&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=971&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6vPCxxuvNAhWpJcAKHX5FAlIQ_AUIBigB&dpr=1

It is so annoying when you buy a dwarf and it turns into a giant.

This site is the grower that bred Bonica... it states.....80 -90 cm.

http://www.meillandrichardier.com/rosier-bonica-r-meidomonac.html

While David Austin has very different info..4ft.

http://www.davidaustinroses.co.uk/bonica

The breeder should know!

The description of Just Joey they seem to agree....

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=just+joey+rose&rlz=1C1GNAM_en-GBGB687GB687&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=971&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwii4Mb5xevNAhXsAMAKHRSrAMQQ_AUIBygC#imgrc=E7VS9YFGKEDpRM%3A

"Elegant buds of coppery-orange veined with red. .......The opening petals are attractively waved. Free and continuous flowering. Open growth habit. Fragrant"
Take the odd one back and ask for a refund.

What chance do us amateurs have!

Sue Deacon · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:52 pm Post subject:

With 'Bonica' I wanted a big shrub rose and was surprised when I later found out it was supposed to be a ground cover rose. It marks my dog, Bonnie's grave and, although not scented, it is a lovely rose.

Funny thing is the Meilland family bred the rose we know as 'Peace'. It was originally called 'Mme A. Meilland'. It was introduced into the US on Armistice day in 1945 and was re-named 'Peace'.

The 'old' 'Just Joey' is a beauty. The 2 new ones are attractive, but just not the same - even the leaves are different.

Are we any closer to finding out the name of that last rose?

summer · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:13 pm Post subject:

Thanks again for your replies, and I will maybe consider the Rosa Rugosa as bareroot later on in the year.

Sue Deacon · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:55 am Post subject:

It is dead easy to grow and you can get it in a lovely white too. I got some from Future Forests. Not much to look at the first year, but four years on they are stunning.

summer · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:11 pm Post subject:

Thank you very much Sue, for your help.