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Tree ID: Elm, Hazel or something else?


 
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sequoiamike
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:46 am    Post subject: Tree ID: Elm, Hazel or something else? Reply with quote

I saw a cluster of these trees in a local hedgerow. When I look at the leaves, I can't tell the difference if they are Hazel, Wych Elms or something I haven't considered? There aren't many Elms left, so I was discounting them. But, these trees are 8-10m tall and no sign of nuts - so doesn't quite seem right for Hazel. And the leaves seem too pointy for Tilia. Any insight would be much appreciated!


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say Elm...Ulmus
The best way to check is to look at the stalk end of a leaf.
It is not the equal.....one side is shorter than the other.
See...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/U._minor_leaf.jpg

Yes all the huge old trees are mostly gone but often they regrow from the bottom.
It is only when they reach a certain age /size that they again get attacked by the beetle and again die.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a guided walk in the Claddagh Glen (one of Fermanagh's jewels) a forester pointed out a group of health Wych Elms and told us they seemed not to be subject to the disease. This was a good few years ago.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Silver Surfer. I'd say you're right. The leaves definitely look like the Wiki image with the uneven sides. A bit of a shame they'll likely get attacked again, but they look lovely for the moment.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know if there is any connection with a Wych gate found at church entrances?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting..
.I have only heard it as Lych gate .
Apparently there is also an alternative as well.... Wych gate.

According to this site it means place or settlement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_forms_in_place_names_in_the_United_Kingdom_and_Ireland


related to Latin vicus (place), ????
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The roof over a church gate has always been a Lych gate in my experience but, now you mention it, there's a small hamlet in Sussex called Wych Cross on the A22 south of East Grinstead. Maybe there's a link?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blowin is right a lychgate is a church gate with a roof over it. I think lych is old English for body (or something like that). They used to wait there, with the coffin, until the minister turned up. This suggests 1- it was always raining in the old days and 2- the vicar was always late! Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Done a quick interweb search and it turns out that there is both a wych gate and a lych gate.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once stayed on a farm called Wychanger - never got to the bottom of that one?? It was on the edge of Exmoor. There were loads of oak, ash and beech, but I don't remember any elm.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was the beast of Bodmin there?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bodmin is on Dartmoor, not Exmoor! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhhh well. Geography not a strong point with me obviously. Where is the beast of NW Sligo?
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