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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:30 am    Post subject: Can you identify these crocus please? Reply with quote

We have spring crocus that the bees love, The principle kinds are a yellow which starts early January, a deep purple which opened a few days ago (mid-Feb), and a pale purple, yet to open but I have photos from last year. All planted in bulk about 15 years ago. Does anyone know what kinds they are?
















A few of these photos are from last year.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocus_vernus

http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/plants/Crocus/general/Species+A-Z/139/

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mews! I hadn't even googled as there are so many crocus varieties I thought I'd be lost!

I wonder is the yellow one crocus chrysanthus? there was a link on the page you gave. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocus_chrysanthus

The purple ones do look like the crocus vernus.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cannot see pictures here but thats not your fault, (Computor blocks piics) Ill pull out my catalogue tonight and have a look, they should be there unless you bought from specialist suppliers.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK I've had a look through the catalogues and I am only guessing but the first could be Crocus Ancyrenis a very early species producing orange yellow flowers vey prolific.
the second could be The large flowering Grande Maitre Blau and the third is I believe Tommasinianus sapphire lavender flowers excellent for naturalising and recommended by the RHS as perfect for pollinators, looked up De Jager wholesale catalogue and Beechill bulbs.
Now having said that Silversurfer will arrive here and blow me out of the water but ill stick to my guns. Good pictures very sharp what camera and lens were you using.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Greengage, They weren't bought as specialist bulbs, just ordinary affordable bulbs! They have all multiplied abundantly, The pale purple are the easiest on the eye, For many years I have struggled visually with the colour and size of the yellow and dark purple ones. Too strong, to be polite! Nice in flower beds but they are in a meadow although it is right beside the house. Anyway, all work in progress and as the honeybees and the bumble bees love them we love them too.

Camera, We did have a little basic back pocket Lumix and most of the above photos were taken with that, it had a very basic zoom though and the lens got damaged at the end of last year so we now have a Lumix F28 with zoom and macro, although I am learning how to use it. That will be the top 2 photos.

I will go out today and compare our crocus with your suggestions, I googled the yellow crocus Crocus Ancyrenis and the pictures here

https://www.google.ie/search?q=Crocus+Ancyrensis&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=FOXiVKGrMoPX7QbTxYHQCQ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1344&bih=683

have longer anthers than my photo. I thought mine looked more like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocus_chrysanthus.

Grande Maitre Blau looks right.

The pale purple looks a little too blowsy to be Tommasinianus sapphire lavender flowers I found this link

https://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/25699/i-Crocus-tommasinianus-i/Details.

Tommasinianus is descibed as early and our pale purple one is late compared to our other crocus, So not convinced on that one.

I really appreciate the feedback, as usual I didn't know where to start and now I am looking at anthers, stamens and flowering times...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok the scottish rock and alpine plant society reccomend the crocus pages as a good starting point so maybe you could have a look there http://www.thealpinehouse.fsnet.co.uk/crocus%20pages/

i found this page on the site where you can open many pages to compare the differances between pictures http://www.thealpinehouse.fsnet.co.uk/crocus%20pages/
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a great link greengage, the pale purple crocus does look much more like Tommasinaus according to their page, (compared to the RHS page I found).

http://www.thealpinehouse.fsnet.co.uk/crocus%20pages/tommasinianus.htm

They say "Widely cultivated and cheaply available" and for flowering time, simply, "early spring", so that would fit.

The yellow I need to take another look at.

The link http://www.thealpinehouse.fsnet.co.uk/crocus%20pages/ancyrensis.htm

says widely available so that fits but I still feel the anthers don't look right and it says
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Orange/yellow unmarked flowers,


Our flowers have distinctive green stripes on the outside the flower. My photo's doesn't show it up well but it can be just seen in the first photo. I may not get any more time today to search but I'll post again if I come up with anything else it could be.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should say, our yellow crocus doesn't look like chysanthus either. Chysanthus doesn't have the markings and it says specialist suppliers, and ours should be something commonly available.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look at the stamens and styles page, http://www.thealpinehouse.fsnet.co.uk/crocus%20pages/
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