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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[/quote] He also told me that according to their records that rat numbers last year were tenfold up on the previous year. Stock up on Storm.[/quote]

Jeyes Fluid has been rubbish for a while. As for the rats, we have the best pest controller there is. Her name is Purdy. She has an apprentice called Bob.

And I know, Greengage, we are heading off into the wide blue yonder again! (s'pose cats come under pest control - or should that be pests? Confused )
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Quote: And I know, Greengage, we are heading off into the wide blue yonder again![/quote]

Well, darn that! Seems like every time someone picks a thread, it unravels!
Now, does anyone else have any yarns to tell?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think it is time for that poll Good Guy. New rules remember?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sue Deacon wrote:
Yeh, I've got Google Earth too. Laughing

Dam, I've been found out but hey it's cheaper than diesel!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judging from the number of new/newly active forumites making comments and asking questions, I don't think we have a membership problem, more a seasonal lull.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed that too, coincidence or finally taking the plunge - look at some of the joining up dates. The big question is will they stay?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We still have to wait and see what James thinks. Good to see silver surfer back takes the pressure off us spoofers. Laughing
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Ah, I see Silver surfer is back. that'll put the skids under those of you that think you are the ultimate plant detectives. Laughing

Sorry I took my time folks.
I'm gonna go through this and reply to some of posts not related to maps and satellite imagery..........

I have put my replies to your posts under your bolded names.
I hope this is not too much of a mess and you can easily find pieces that relate to you.
It would be great though if everyone could read the whole thing though to get the full picture.
Thanks for all your input so far.

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we are very inactive lately maybe everyone knows all by no or they are fed up of us,


There is usually a lull at this time of year, but I expect it to pick up once people start thinking vegetable planting. There are signs of it already.

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I ran a check, there are 7862 members registered, 1810 never ever posted,


Some folk sign up with the best of intentions and then never post, that's just the way it is.
Same as some folk join the gym with the best of intentions, pay the fee, and then never go......... that's why many tie you into a year long contract.

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maybe the site is a bit dated or there is nothing here to offer people,


Maybe it is a bit dated.
A lot of folk have moved to facebook groups, which is sad really as some folk never venture any farther than facebook now. facebook is the internet to them.
I toyed with the idea of an Irish gardeners forum facebook group on facebook, but quickly realised that everyone would end up there and the reserve of knowledge would be at the whim of the facebook owners and their rules. I was trying to build an uniquely "Irish" community.

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When you post you can have more voyeurs than contributors,


Yep, guilty of this myself on some forums. If anyone has an idea to counteract this then I would be interested to hear it. I know what has on occassion caused me to jump from being a voyeur to be a contributor on other forums is a feeling of anger usually caused by someone trolling the forum. But gardening does not usually evoke those reactions.


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Should all members get a PM from admin to notify them they are members and they should check in or should those 1810 who never posted be deleted,


A mass email might be a good idea. I have done it in the past when we have run competions with sponsered prizes. I might do that again........ free tickets for bloom possibly.


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Ill give it a bit more thought what do the other few posters think, I must be getting near my 2000 when I should jump ship.

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My reason for taking a break is that maybe I could be part of the problem seeming to have all the answers but none of the problems, I have access to a huge database of knowledge from experienced gardeners and the best library in the country for horticulture info.


If you have more ideas then I will consider them.
2000 posts are not to be sniffed at. Thank you for your input so far, and long may it continue. We need folks with the answers and the knowledge, even if it is to argue another side of a point. Razz

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I said it before but I think the Post" What did you do today" did serious harm to the forum as there was so many threads going on in there that could have being expanded on it has become a bit of a social tread, now thats ok if thats what people want but it does not help the site.


The "What did you do today" thread is both a blessing and a curse. As you rightly point out "there was so many threads going on in there that could have being expanded on" in other topics, however "What did you do today" did seem to keep the forum ticking over during the winter downtime and folks seem to check back into the the forum just to see what others are up to.

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We will always differ on "What you did Today " post. It has had 84807 hits and 914 posts at I think 63 pages on it.


It is getting to be a bit of a behemoth alright, and I will be forced to shut it down soon and start another on as the page count on the original one could start to slow the system down. When I do it I will PM everyone with the link to the new one and I will put a link to the new one in the old one.
I will look into what Kim posted regarding it as well....... "Perhaps this thread could be titled differently to express that it is the "chat" area and "what did you do today in the garden" could be separate? or |what are you doing in January in the garden', That could create 12 threads, one for each month, that could come up again each year".

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I tend to agree with you mostly. Activity will increase as the seasons progress.


This seems to always be the case

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In defence of the "what did you do today" thread it is in a section where it states clearly "Chat about any subject which is not covered by our topics below eg. tv gardening shows, sport, pets, hobbies and interests etc.". So it is open to all sorts of comments. I look on it as the 'have a banter section'.


I look on it the same way.
I have learnt a lot from it. There are nuggets there amongst the chin wagging.

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Have you ever noticed that when you log on the newest registered user is named. It is usually a really random sort of name and rarely if ever are they seen again. I often wonder is it just to get the numbers up and being seen to be still active. Also, I have watched with interest, the number of views on a post. I sometimes post quite late at night and can still get a surprising number of views in the small hours.


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No shady stuff going on related to this, folks

As I mentioned, some folk sign up with the best of intentions and then never post, that's just the way it is.
A lot of folk from different timezones view the forum when us Irish are all asleep or are supposed to be asleep.
Some folk sign up to spam the forums with porn, gambling, knock off spam, etc, and many of these are again from different timezones (vietnam, india etc.) so join up late at night.
For instance....
kamal34, location: Dhaka, Bangladesh
scrapcarinlondon
thurberhomeplans, location: Bangladesh
commercialgreenhouses, location: USA-RENO-NV

We tend to get to them before they put their illict wares before your eyes. Their username might remain on the system but their posting priviledges are revoked. I believe we have done a good job so far in keeping such stuff away from young eyes researching projects for school nature classes and the like. However let myself or Verge know if you spot something.
Private message me........ http://www.gardenplansireland.com/forum/privmsg.php?mode=post&u=2
Private message Verge, the moderator......... http://www.gardenplansireland.com/forum/privmsg.php?mode=post&u=4

I hope this clears up the question of the sign ups and views late at night.

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First thoughts:
- does it really matter if there are loads of 'inactive' names? Maybe people join to get the full facility but don't want to contribute;


That happens a lot. I would prefer if it did not, but if folks get a benefit from the site then I am fairly happy.

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it might be a good idea to get people to confirm their interest if a way can be found to encourage their participation;


As I mentioned, a mass email might be a good idea. I have done it in the past when we have run competitions with sponsered prizes.

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is it possible that newcomers are put off by the forum seeming to 'clubbish'.


I hope not. I will say though that this "new sign up never posting" thing has been happening before the "What did you do today" thread or any "clubs" began.
To be honest I don't even think there are any clubs in a negative way anyway. Anyone that has joined up and began to post has been treat well by the other members as far as I can see.

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Is it useful to refer to non contributing visitors as 'voyeurs' with all the negative connotations of that term?


Lurkers is an even worse one. Come on out, folks, and tell us to shut up with the negative terms. Razz

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would it be worth polling people who have joined in the last 6 months and who do post to find out what they like about the forum?


Great idea. I will get on it.

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I am glad you brought this up Greengage. I would really like to be part of an Irish garden forum. As a new member I feel like there is a lot of slagging and banter that goes on that I often just don't get and is boring, tedious when I don't understand the joke.
I get fed up seeing I have an e-mail that there is a reply in to a thread I am following and after waiting 10 seconds for the computer to open up this forum, I find it is yet another bit of one line slagging that I don't understand.


This happens to me on other forums as well. I receive a reply notification reply, then I log on to see someone just posed a smiley face........... ARRGH. Like tagwex, I let the notification build up for an hour or two now, and there is always something worthwhile waiting for me at the end of the wait.
If any online slagging is directed at you then let us know, Kim.
Private message me........ http://www.gardenplansireland.com/forum/privmsg.php?mode=post&u=2
Private message Verge, the moderator......... http://www.gardenplansireland.com/forum/privmsg.php?mode=post&u=4
If you feel it is harmless then give as good as you get from these folk. Some of them like a challenge. As kindredspirit, tagwex and Geranimojess said..." just barge your way in, and enjoy what you like".

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I don't read the 'what did you do today' thread, when I did, there was golf banter going on. I do think that it is great that there is a group of you who get on so well and have such quick wit as well as knowledge and love of gardening, It would be my preference that the jokes and banter could, most of the time, be kept to a jokes and banter section of the forum and not be constantly scattered randomly throughout most threads.
I do appreciate that a sense of humour is one of life's great gifts, I feel like such a stuck in the mud, but I am being honest.
To me, even though everyone has been very friendly, it still feels like a closed group.


You are not being a stick in the mud at all.
Now, how to keep the friendliness and open up the groups more.

See what I have see happen that I am seriously happy with is threads that would in the old day follow the pattern of...... question posed by one member......question answered by another..... thread dies, have now taken on a life of their own and began to blossom due to banter and chat. A good case in pont here........... http://www.gardenplansireland.com/forum/about4962.html
I'm sure you'll agree that all the further info added to that thread would be of great benefit to someone with an interest in the area.

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I'm a new member too and I like the post 'What did you do today'. I agree with tagwex when he says..
tagwex wrote:
We could be talking away seriously about a gardening matter and a quip could be thrown in and then the banter could start, we are hardly going to start a new topic mid topic just to have the original topic purely on what it was started for. Go with the flow.


Thanks for your input and getting involved on the forum so far, Sue.
"Go with the flow" would be my idea of it too.

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Reading this thread made me go back and look at the 'index'. I think there may be too many different subjects. Confused It could be a bit off-putting to have so many different sections. New folks might wonder where to post their queries.
For example, say you are new to gardening, want to grow roses and are having little luck. The problem might come under 'Roses' or 'pests and diseases'? It might be a problem with the soil or the site, where do you look then?


A valid point. I am coming around to the idea that there are too many sub forums. Maybe things like 'pests and diseases' could be gotten rid of altogether, so if you have a rose disease problem then you would simply pop it in the rose forum and not have to make a choice as to where to post it. Too many sub forum may be diluting the forum over all.

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On the question of subjects for posting, I have a suggestion. Last year I found out that my youngest cat was FIV+. In a panic I searched the Net for answers and found a great forum of lovely people and joined up. The forum is divided along quite simple lines - lost and found, health and behaviour, bereavement, homes wanted/offered and 'General Chatting'. There has to be some connection to cats (however tenuous) but otherwise, in this section, anything goes. You are free to jump in and out as you like and if you would prefer not to join in you don't click on that section. It works well. Perhaps we could do the same?


It's looking like a downsize of the sub forums are on the cards alright.
I will have to look at this from a technical point as well and see how this can be undertaken without too much change in the software side.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just as a follow up it would be great if I could get all your views on these questions.

1. Is the site too big; are there too many sub-forums?

2. What is the number one thing that would make the site more usable?

3. If I were to poll people who have joined in the last 6 months and who do post would you add any extra questions?

4. Should we shut the "what did you do today" thread down completely?

5. Should I mass email all registered users to remind them that we are still here?

6. Should we put a ball and chain on Greengage to prevent him leaving us?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi James,

in response to your questions -
1. Yes - so many times subjects overlap and it might be difficult to know where to post a question.

2. See above.

3. Can't think of any.

4. Can we re-launch it, same theme, different title?

5. Yes, and perhaps to ask if they are still interested.

6. YES, most definitely! I have been a gardener for a VERY long time. But I am still learning and need folks like Greengage and Silver Surfer.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree completely with everything Sue has said.
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I have been waiting patiently for this and have to say it is a good and informative read. Interesting to see it from a perspective that I wouldn't have been well versed in. I need to a bit of time to ponder your questions and unfortunately I just do not have the time to fully answer them tonight, quite busy here. However, a couple of quick points.
1. Number of forums: There are 33 and I reckon that I have only ever used 10, following my interests, somebody else could use a different 10. So how do you possibly decide what to lose? Unless there is some amalgamation.
2. This is one of the items I need to think more on. But my first thought, and I seen it mentioned above, is competitions/quizzes. I love a challenge and being tested, my better half and I are serial quiz goers. Is there any way of coming up with something that Mr Google doesn't have an answer to as it just defeats the purpose. I hear little quizzes all the time on the local radio here and people just text in google answers rapidly, waste of time. When they do live telephone quizzes you will soon see a different calibre of answering, but I digress.
3. Their long term intentions maybe, in for the long haul or just in for the quick answer - now that could be a forum of its own. The quick response section, who knows they may get drawn in. I need to think more on this one.
4. It would be an awful job to filter through it to pull out the many threads within it and seperate them. If it is leaning towards being a technical problem then you don't have a choice but I would not want to lose the info within it. Would it be possible to leave a link somewhere so that all is not lost?
5. Definitely.
6. Hang on to the knowledge at all costs. In my time on here Michael Brenock RIP, Silver Surfer and Greengage are like the three wise men (one lady) here and they brought/bring an awful lot of knowledge here that hundreds of people have benefitted from. Send Greengage a present to change his mind!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since I started this thread I should comment, Well done James for addressing all the points mentioned.

1. yes maybe there are too many sub-forums but they are all relevant, besides I dont have any better ideas.

2. What did you do today, I think there are too many different threads going on in there and it would be hard to follow if you comment. before you log back in its gone off in a different tangent, But In this age we live in communication even on this thread is important. While we dont know each other (Could have met Good guy recently but didnt happen) people have built up good relationships with each other and you can see that by some comments on what did you do today.

3. E-Mail members to see what hey think could be a good idea.

4. I got fed up of twitter not on that anymore # tag whatever couldn't follow it.
facebook I had to dump so many friends I never knew, the volume of traffic in my in box was too much to cope with, I regularly post here because it sticks to gardening topics in the main and there are lots of interesting people and interested gardeners aside from posting I also learn a lot , Sometimes wondering why didnt I think of that.

I cannot remember who it was who contacted members here about the death of Michael but they also contacted his family to pass on our condolences from members here and his family in turn were on here thanking us, that was a very nice gesture.

This is the longest I have been posting on any forum, While I have had my differences with some contributors (I call a spade a spade and dont be wasting your money if there is a better way) I do enjoy posting and said on a different thread that when I get to 2000 posts I was going to take a break we'll see but this is not about me.

Keep up the good work, remember I could have bought the site when you misplaced your card. Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to everyone who has contributed here. The site feels lovely and homely now. (Not that it didn't before; it just feels MORE homely.)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your reply James, Although I am a new member it is because I would like to be here for the long haul that I have voiced my views.

1. Is the site too big; are there too many sub-forums?
I think the site is very well laid out and gives the impression that there is something for everyone. Gardening is diverse.

2. What is the number one thing that would make the site more usable?
I have unsubscribed from threads so that has solved my problem! I will just check recent posts now. I think a chat area or chat thread would be good, Another sub-forum!

3. If I were to poll people who have joined in the last 6 months and who do post would you add any extra questions?
can't think of anything.

4. Should we shut the "what did you do today" thread down completely?
Often chat and garden talk overlap, as it is such a popular thread it seems silly to stop it, but retitling it would be good.

5. Should I mass email all registered users to remind them that we are still here?
I don't know! no harm I guess?

6. Should we put a ball and chain on Greengage to prevent him leaving us?
I think the forum should be a place he doesn't want to leave. I hope that the time you have put into addressing his concerns will have the desired affect.

This is an excellent and friendly forum with a great reserve of information, perhaps it was just the seasonal lull that had the banter from "what did you do today" thread overflowing into other threads.
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