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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:59 pm    Post subject: Can you identify this flower please? Reply with quote

I have been recording what flowers I see the honey bees on for the last year. Today I have just posted this photo and realised I am not actually sure what it is. (I have thought of it as a heather), It has flopped over so it is not as tall as it might be, perhaps about 4 foot high and wide and perhaps 8 years old? It has been flowering since the summer.

The photo is not great, I like to take the photos when I see the bees on the plants.I may go out later and see if I can get a better picture.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kim, I am impressed with the unusual plants you grow in your garden.
I believe this is an Australian shrub....in the Mytle family called Kunzea.
Not sure which one it might be...there are 44 sp listed on wiki.

http://www.rymich.com/girraween/index.php?section=plants&sub=flowering&d1=myrtaceae&d2=kunzea_obovata&page=gi_kunzea_obovata_001

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunzea
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm surprised! The seed pods do look similar to callistimon (and callistimon grows well here) and now that I look at it I can see the family resemblance. Our plant is very much in need of TLC! but it's growing happily. It is not showy at all and is really a bit scraggly in form but the flowers are pretty and the bees like it. Thank you so much , again!



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was looking up our RHS plant book (ours is about 15 years old now) It says Kunzea needs protection for temperatures less than 5C. (Our plant is outdoors, unprotected and went through the hard winters we had a few years ago.

I looked on-line and found this reference http://anpsa.org.au/APOL2006/aug06-s3.html which suggests that they are frost hardy, in which case one could surmise that the one we have is a hardy variety.

I had to run out with a torch and check for scented foliage and initially found it hard to catch the scent, but crushing the leaves it is definitely there and it is like very mild Leptospermum.

Looking at the flower it is similar to a mininture bottle brush, sweet!

One aspect I am not fitting in is Autumn flowering, All the Kunzeas I look at say spring / summer flowering, This one looks similar-ish http://www.australianplants.com/plants.aspx?id=1621 but like all the others it is spring -summer flowering. I can't remember when mine started to flower but it does go on and on.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pomifra (that I linked to in the last post) is a low growing one, The description of this one is a bit more fitting and is described as hardy USDA zone 8.

http://www.australiaplants.com/Kunzea_parvifolia.htm

Quote:
A spreading plant 5' high x 9' wide. Heath like leaves, bears profuse pink flowers in late spring and early summer. Showy pink flowers and aromatic foliage.



(Although I'm not sure I would call our flowers showy) the real misfit is flowering time. Many things have been flowering in this mild November (frost thismorning though), Melianthus has flower buds and embothrium has a few flowers, but in their case it is clear that it is not a whole show. I think I will have to watch our kunzea next year and observe its flowering time through the whole year. Perhaps flowering is influenced by rain?

I don't expect to find out which kind I have but was interested in getting a bit closer to what it is as there is a good variation within the group kunzea.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the individual flowers were beautiful.

I tried to pin it down for you but there is not a lot on www to help.
Most pics on www clearly show 5 pink petals. I am not seeing this on your pics.
Just loads of stamen.
Many sp can be ruled out as they have many more stamen than your sp.
Many pics on www are posted by amateurs and I am not at all sure that there naming is 100% accurate.
Even garden centres/growers can buy there images from www sites like Getty Images, where again the naming is often far from accurate. (Seen some real boo boos)
Any chance you remember where you bought it? Maybe they could help.

Sorry I cannot be more helpful.

http://anpsa.org.au/APOL2006/aug06-s3.html

Stick to official Australian sites where info should be more accurate.

https://www.anbg.gov.au/photo/apii/genus/Kunzea

Many sp can be rules out....colour /flower shape/leaves completely different..eg Kunzea baxteri.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Kunzea+baxteri&client=firefox-a&hs=vKx&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=rcs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=HPB2VKWCF4Ta7gaR1YGYCA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1536&bih=728


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kunzea capitata. pink form?

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=sp&name=Kunzea~capitata

Flowers in spring down under..maybe it flowers here at same time...our autumn???

http://www.friendsoflanecovenationalpark.org.au/Flowering/Flowers/Kunzea_capitata.htm

http://anpsa.org.au/k-cap.html
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wanted to reply earlier but our internet was down, Unfortunately I don't remember where it came from. I do think it is very pretty, it has a (not too showy) delicate charm.

Your links are very good and helpful Silver Surfer, thank you. I am not convinced that the flower detail fits with kunzea capitata, I have not been able so far to get a good picture of the flower.
I have looked at the leaves and flower through a magnifying glass, the young leaves near the flower are hairy, otherwise the leaves are smooth with slightly curved tips. The 5 petals are tiny, the stamen rise up in groups from the base of each petal. When one looks into the centre of one of the individual flowers, (many of which make up one bottle brush) the ring around the stigma has a scalloped shape - as opposed to a solid ring as appears in this picture http://www.friendsoflanecovenationalpark.org.au/Flowering/Flowers/Kunzea_capitata.htm

The plantnet link describes kunzea capita ....
Quote:
Leaves oblanceolate to obovate, 3.59 mm long, 1.54.5 mm wide, apex acute to obtuse and mucronate and recurved, 3 longitudinal veins visible, villous to ciliate or glabrous; petiole c. 1 mm long.

I completely understand the need for specific language to describe plants and their parts .... and it seems I will have to learn it! (guess who only did the most basic biology in school !)

I am happy that it either is or is closely related to capitata. This is a real help in thinking about where it grows naturally and how I care for it in the garden.

Evolution and diversity of plants is completely absorbing and fascinating!

I don't have access to a camera today but I will try and get better pictures.This is just a zoom in of yesterdays photo.--

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A day or two ago, after first following the lead of kunzea, I read that Kunzea, callistimon , melaleuca and leptomspermum had some common features, I had checked my notes initially and have no note of planting kunzea (but I don't note everything) and meant to check the other relations after reading about them.

I have been on the computer looking at all the pictures of kunzea and looking occasionally at melaleuca too, but nothing really fitted. I have just thought to check my written notes for melaleuca and I do have a record for melaleuca squamea , Honey myrtle. I Don't have time now to read about it but wanted to post here as soon as I realised that it could be this. Certainly it seems to be a plant for damp soil and this fits. Sorry I didn't check my written notes sooner, although I will confess that I learn a lot through searching and really appreciate the encouragement and leads offered by your links Silver Surfer. I'll post again when I have had time to read up about melaleuca squamea.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.

I am out of my depth here.
On reading about Melaleuca squamea the one thing that comes up is...

Leaves opposite and decussate (each pair at right angles to the next)


http://vro.depi.vic.gov.au/dpi/vro/vrosite.nsf/pages/water_spotting_species_key_melaleuca

http://fe.yarraranges.vic.gov.au/Residents/Yarra_Ranges_Plant_Directory/Middle_Storey/Shrubs_32-10m/Melaleuca_squarrosa
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I have a note to say I planted Melaleuca squamea there is nothing sure that this plant is it, or that the nursery that sold it could have been mistaken. (A number of times I have found nursery plants mislabeled).

The photos in this link, and I do not know if it is a reliable site, do seem to fit.

http://www.utas.edu.au/dicotkey/dicotkey/MYRTS/sMelaleuca_squamea.htm

and some of the pictures here seem good.

https://www.google.ie/search?q=melaleuca+squamea&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=rcs&biw=1344&bih=698&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=YSJ4VOyDGOu07gbByoHABg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#imgdii=_

I read this yesterday
Quote:
The other common genus with free stamens is Kunzea which differs from Callistemon in having seed capsules which are not woody and which shed seed annually


from this page, near the bottom. http://anpsa.org.au/mel-cal.html

But I am completely out of my depth! I don't feel the need to know either way, I am happy to know it could be Melaleuca squamea or it could be kunzea, I had been thinking it was a heather until recently! (without thinking)!

It seems to be a wild heath plant from south east Australia and all the possibilities suggested that it could be cut back without harm (although I won't be doing that in winter).

Thank you for all the feedback.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact I could not see any petals in your pic was a worry.

Your Tasmanian link..

http://www.utas.edu.au/dicotkey/dicotkey/MYRTS/sMelaleuca_squamea.htm

Says alternate leaves!

Images you found look perfect match to your plant.

Well done in working away at the detective work...we have both learnt a lot and come a long way from heather in past couple of days!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am glad to hear that you think the images look like a good match too. I am delighted to have an affirmed identification. Thank you!
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