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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:28 pm    Post subject: could someone ID this for me please Reply with quote

anyone know what this plant might be? its roughly 9ft x 8ft and is evergreen, i was thingin' Viburnum of some sort ? any help would be great guys Smile





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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cotoneaster sp.
See my full answer on the other id forum!
Copy below.......
That really helps.Thank you.

Viburnum can be ruled out. Viburnum leaves are opposite to each other on a branch.

These pics show leaves that are alternately arranged.

Sorbus aria can also be ruled out, as the edges of the leaves in the pic are entire/ smooth with no sign of serrated edges or teeth.

http://www.hainaultforest.co.uk/Leaf%20Whitebeam.JPG

So that takes me back to it being Cotoneaster sp.

Leaves alternate.

Leaves with smooth edges.

Leaves white undersides.

Berries.

Can be evergreen.

Some sp grow into very handsome trees.While others will always be shrubby, others ground hugging.

As to which one it is.... well there are a few sp which it might be!

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/british-natural-history/urban-tree-survey/identify-trees/tree-factsheets/c-to-e/cotoneaster/index.html

Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do the flowers smell really nice??
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah they do! im asking on behalf of a friend and she did remark on the sent, she said they're not perfumy but have a definite scent...if thats any help Smile

@Silver surfer, thanks for all the info Smile if cotoneaster...any idea what species it might be?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

honeybunny wrote:
Silver surfer, thanks for all the info :) if cotoneaster...any idea what species it might be?


Sorry honeybunny, there are quite a lot.
I would just be guessing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I saw this for the first time I assumed that the person knew the name and was testing our knowledge so I tried to puzzle it out and have not reached a definite conclusion yet, I would have jumped at Viburnum straight away and then Cotoneaster was mentioned, but this genus does not have a perfume. Then I thought it might be Stransvaesia , fulfills the points but does not have a perfume. Cotoneaster is a huge genus and hard to track down individual species. I would like to know the real name of this puzzler.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologies folks. I had a head start on this when it appeared on another forum under the heading Evergreen Whitebeam.

Quote. honeybunny...

"a friend believes a roughly 9ft x 8ft tree/bush she has in her garden is a whitebeam (sorbus aria) she says the leaves, flowers and berries look identical...only her one isn't deciduous...its evergreen!!! is there an evergreen whitebream out there or does she have something else completely...and if so what trees look very similar? thanks in advance as any help would be much appreciated :) , "
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My reply was....
Sorbus aria is easy to id as the underside of the leaves look white.

Quote link below from Kew...

"Despite having a green top side, the leaves of Sorbus aria have hundreds of tiny white hairs on the underside that give them a silvery white look. So, when the wind blows through the leaves, the foliage effectively changes colour from green to white and back again."

http://apps.kew.org/trees/?page_id=124

As you say it is not evergreen.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&cp=20&gs_id=28&xhr=t&q=evergreen+flowering+trees&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=960&bih=485&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=ASIFUIntDumx0QWwt536Bw#um=1&hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=sorbus+aria+&oq=sorbus+aria+&gs_l=img.12..0l4j0i24l6.269886.277303.2.279887.37.20.0.2.2.8.109.1317.18j1.20.0...0.0...1c.zWuSzlHrblY&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=57b448d8087d240b&biw=960&bih=485

Without pics it becomes a guessing game.

So a suggestion.... Cotoneaster sp.

These can be evergreen, some are trees, they have clusters of white flowers followed by berries.

A pic would really help.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&cp=20&gs_id=28&xhr=t&q=evergreen+flowering+trees&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=960&bih=485&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=ASIFUIntDumx0QWwt536Bw#um=1&hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=cotoneaster+tree+evergreen&oq=cotoneaster+tree+evergreen&gs_l=img.12..0i24.59851.71477.0.73436.50.23.0.13.13.7.113.1523.20j1.23.0...0.0...1c.WWYgb8PHl4o&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=57b448d8087d240b&biw=960&bih=485
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Honeybunny. reply...........
"okey dokey here are a few pics she's just sent me, first time i've seen pics of it myself...its definitely not a sorbus aria, im thinkin' a viburnum or some sort? any help would be great guys :) "
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That is the story so far!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For my tuppence worth Id guess Viburnum odoratissimum Sweet Viburnum.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greengage wrote:
For my tuppence worth Id guess Viburnum odoratissimum Sweet Viburnum.


Except that all Viburnum have leaves that are opposite to each other on a twig.

This has alternate leaves.

http://www.mappler.info/geo005info/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/opposite_alternate.gif
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What country was this photo taken in and can you post a different picture
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its from a friends garden in England...Surrey

she says it was there when she moved in two years ago and was really huge! she cut it hard back the first year but its very fast growing and sends out long arching branches that she's forever having to prune, she cant imagine how big it'd get if left to grow unchecked
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been out and had a good look at our Cotoneaster.
I am now 99.9% sure that it is Cotoneaster lacteus.
It is multistemmed.It is a vigorous fast growing shrub with an arching habit.
The flowers are in large clusters (sort of a ball)
With 5 tiny petals.
The leaves have a small point at the tip.
Underneath is white with hairs, which also go down the very short stalk.


http://www.findmeplants.co.uk/photos/cotoneaster_lacteus.jpg

http://www.plantdatabase.co.uk/plant_imgs/size3/cotoneaster_lacteus_I1714P42451.jpg

http://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/03030800-0b07-490a-8d04-0605030c0f01/media/Images/Cotoneaster_coriaceus/cotoneaster%20lacteus14.jpg

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http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1&hl=en&biw=1059&bih=510&tbm=isch&tbnid=qIh-6QLCpUxw7M:&imgrefurl=http://apps.rhs.org.uk/plantselector/plant%3Fplantid%3D565&docid=t47AYrulGZLU2M&imgurl=http://apps.rhs.org.uk/plantselectorimages/detail/WSY0034282_4739.jpg&w=268&h=407&ei=JYoSULeoOOq20QWLyIDgCg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=95&vpy=119&dur=2765&hovh=277&hovw=182&tx=100&ty=157&sig=117860512390613209384&page=1&tbnh=138&tbnw=96&start=0&ndsp=11&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:123
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah happy days, im sure she'll be just as delighted as i am to finally know what this plant turned out to be Smile thank you Silver Surfer your a star Very Happy
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