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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:49 pm    Post subject: Need advice from raspberry-growing, wine-making gardeners... Reply with quote

My raspberry canes suffered from wind damage over the weekend. Does anyone on this forum have suggestions for squishy raspberry recipes?

My kids won't eat jam but, having spent several hours last week filling buckets with elderflowers and starting off this season's "champagne", I've been trawling the internet for non-alcoholic raspberry "fizz". I've only found one recipe (from the 19th century) that might suit - a variation on ginger beer. I made one 2-litre bottle by way of experiment, but it appears to be developing a somewhat rebellious character! It's not about to explode, it's just sitting there looking Gothic and bubbling at me!

Does anyone have any suggestions?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raspberry canes need to be supported by two rows of wire with individual canes tied on or held between parallel pairs of wires supported by stakes at either end.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Brenock, one day I'll find you, take you down the local and we'll chat for hours! If I can find Sive and that guy who signs himself "retired trouble maker", we'll party!

The raspberries were staked and tied, but the wind flattened the stakes too!

I've grown raspberries in this patch for the past seven years with no problems, but this year I have to contend with my neighbour's newly built extension. The wind, it now seems, is being funnelled around the extension and through a three metre gap between us. One third of the canes have been battered but the rest have only tipped over a few degrees, while the kids' 2m tall giant sunflowers further down the garden haven't even twitched. It has to be wind turbulence, rather than "normal" wind, so I guess I'll just have to move the canes in autumn. Would October do?

Meanwhile I'm still looking for "things to do with battered raspberries".

Jam is out (the kids hate it); I suggested making raspberry ripple ice cream, but was informed that if I was going to go to the trouble of making home-made ice cream, they'd prefer triple chocolate, fudge and marshmallow; and my experimental bottle of raspberryade is still sulking.

I realise a cookery forum might be more appropriate, but most of them are too weird! I don't want some Sophie Dahl recipe for mackerel stuffed with raspberry coulis and myrtle leaves, decorated with a suggestive banana. I'm more interested in keeping alive our dwindling stock of Great-Grandma's Enquire Withins. I'm using my great-grandma's elderflower champagne recipe - it's good, believe me, it's good! I'll bring some to the party!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi PeterEnglish
Any chance you can post the recipe for the raspberry champagne, I'm always looking for new wine recipes or champagne especially tried and trusted.
Why not make the champagne just use extra weight of raspberries to make up for the squashed ones ?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Cuemaster.

As this was by way of experiment, I made it the same way I make lemonade and ginger beer for the kids. It turned out quite well, but incredibly fizzy.

(1) Take an empty plastic 2 litre bottle, sterilise with Milton and rinse thoroughly. Then pour in a cupful of caster sugar, a quarter teaspoon of dried bread yeast granules, the juice of one lemon and a few tablespoons of cold water. Cap and shake well to dissolve the sugar. You can adjust the sugar to taste, or use a combination of sugar/artificial sweetener, just as long as there's enough "real sugar" for the yeast to react. The lemon juice is necessary as an acidity regulator, but other citrus fruit can be used instead. From my experience making elderflower champagne, glass bottles are not the safest for this type of homebrew!

(2) Push about half a kilo of washed and bug-free, ripe raspberries through a sieve, and funnel the juice into the bottle, which should now be about one third to one half full. Cap it tightly and shake again.

(3) Top up the bottle with cold water, to about 4cm from the lid, cap tightly, shake, and leave on the kitchen windowsill for one or two days. As the yeast gives off carbon dioxide, the bottle will become rock solid with the pressure. You want it rock solid, but if it's warm weather you might have to vent some of the excess gas off by slowly and carefully loosening the cap to the point where the bottle is at a just-squeezable point. If you're not slow and careful enough, you'll have a Mythbusters-style Coke-and-Mentos fountain and a lot of cleaning up to do!

(4) Chill the bottle in the fridge for at least 24 hours, but if you leave it in the fridge a week or so, the flavour will definitely improve. When you're ready to try it, be very slow and careful again, and pour through a sieve or tea strainer to remove the lumpy bits and yeast clots. I actually filtered the lot into a second bottle and re-refridgerated it, and it's now just the way I wanted it. The alcohol content, incidentally, will be minimal, so your kids can enjoy it safely, but for adults it's equally nice as a mixer with white wine or vermouth.

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I am not an expert wine-maker or beer-brewer, but I do like mixing things up in bottles and test-tubes to see what happens. My elderflower champagne is brewed in big buckets to a tried and tested 120-year-old family recipe, but anyone following my own experimental recipe for raspberry champagne does so at his own risk. I just wish this grotty weather would end! At this stage, I'll be posting again soon with recipes for waterlogged soggy carrot, broad bean and lettuce fizz....
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi peter! no need to move the raspberries just stake them more securely. Tie each cane individually to the horizontal wires, one at 3 feet above ground level and the other at 4-6 feet above ground level depending on the height of the canes. If you move the canes then you are without fruit for a year. Thanks for the thought of the pub but I hardly know what they do in those places.
addicted to gardening and there is no cure for it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh dear, Peter, you'd better find some party types on the forum ( I'm sure there's plenty ! ).......I hardly ever take a drink or go to a pub either. A bit like Michael I'd sooner be in my garden than almost anywhere else.
But thanks for the kind offer !
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sive and Michael,

If I find some party-types on the forum, how would you be fixed for baby-sitting?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still pondering moving the raspberry canes. This used to be my most sheltered patch of garden till the neighbour chopped down a hedge and a couple of trees and replaced them with bricks and mortar. Now I have a swathe of flattened raspberry thicket behind the undamaged canes - it's like a small twister hit the place!

I can't see that rebuilding the stakes and wires more securely would work unless I first put up some sort of windbreak. I can't do much about the six-foot brick wall, but maybe the turbulence could be dispersed by some sort of wattle screen or trellis?

On the positive side, my cats have decided the raspberry thicket is now too clumpy for them and no longer chase the pygmy shrews that live behind it. The cats can bring me as many dead mice and rats as they wish, but I've always thought that picking on tiny pygmy shrews was just plain mean!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Peter, Isn't that too bad, now..........I'm in Wexford and Michael says he's in Cork.....and I see you're in Meath. It looks as if we can't help you out there...........but don't let us spoil the party !
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I'm pushing fifty and haven't been in a pub for years, either. Pub socialising has never been the same since Italia 90. I wore my Packie Bonner shirt every night...

Nostalgia isn't as good as it used to be!

Sive, are you old enough to remember Lesley Gore?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsYJyVEUaC4
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit late coming in on this discussion but I have a fruit wine recipy. Not that I drink either - if I drink even a capfull I am completely squished-as-a-raspberry for several days. Embarassed
However, you can make wine out of any fruit if you use half goats milk whey and half mushed up fruit strained through a couple of layers of fruit netting (or you can use pre-packaged fruit juice). In order to get the whey, of course, you have to make goats cheeze first. Then, you have to make fromarge fres by simmering the remaining liquid gently for about 10 minutes, while skimming off the fatty froth that appears on the top. You will be left with a clear, green liquid and a dish of a creamy tasting stuff that you mix with fresh fruit - more raspberrys will do! Then you add the fruit juice to the green whey in a demi-john. When it's cool enough you drop in the wine yeast - it won't need any extra sugar as the lactose and fructose is quite enough. It will be ready to drink within two weeks if you want a lovely light, fizzy, yet syrupy fruity drink. Be warned though, even at this early stage it can be supprisingly strong. If you prefer, you can keep it for a year or more - if you want an increadably strong, sledge-hammer of a wine.
Two other matters. Firstly, after drinking a bottle of the lighter version of this recipy one sunny afternoon, my mom and dad fell asleep on the garden bench and didn't wake up until well after dark! Secondly, after the construction of an ill-planned housing development over the wall from my parents garden, the slope of the combined new roofs caused a wind tunnel that compleatly lifted the roof off their house, and 3 other houses in the terrace (200 year old oak beams over 45cm thick and all!) These were carried through the air, over the road, clean over the top of a windmill situated opposite, landing over 70 metres away on scrubland. Amaizingly, nobody was hurt.
We try not to mention the morning of the roof being blown off, but I have never heard the last of the afternoon of the goats-whey wine disaster! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lesley Gore ? I remember the song OK, but never heard that name before.....but then I was more into the Beatles.....aaaaah the Sixties....a great time to grow up ! It all seems so innocent looking back at it !
You're far too young to remember it all if you're only pushing fifty, Peter.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Dinahdabble!

I've made plenty of yoghurt by leaving a pan of cows' milk and organic Biopot on the Aga overnight. It never occurred to me that I could do interesting things with goats' milk! It's not the sort of milk I normally buy, as (personally speaking) I think it tastes disgusting. I shall give this a go while the kids are away - they've been sent to Cork on an adventure-outdoors, character-building camping holiday for a couple of weeks.

For clarification, I'm pushing fifty but I do remember the Beatles ("She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah"), Blue Peter with Valerie Singleton, John Noakes and the baby elephant, and Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin live on the moon. Oh and Percy Thrower, of course. I admired Percy Thrower, and that other TV gardener, Yorkshireman, Geoff somebody...

I can't be young again, all I can do is tell my kids to enjoy it while it's happening.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never actualy thought of using cows milk, because of the then ready supply of goatsmilk. You could try it with cows milk, I am sure it would do just as well Smile
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