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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:14 am    Post subject: build a pondless day usa Reply with quote

this is a hands on build a pondless day,that i took part in two weeks in the usa.my friend peter held it ,he done the for a insurance company.here are some photos. yours ponddigger


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ohoto no 3.the plastic water blocks are put in to the hole.they are use instead of gravel.the plastic looking pipe in the hole is calleda snorkel,it is used to put the pump and eletric in.it is also use for maintance after.
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photo no 2.the epdm rubber liner is put in to the hole by the girls on the job
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The theme is brilliant. Volks hits hydrant. No problem 'cos it Volks Insurance (no connection to Volkswagen) company.

However the plumbing underneath is a little "over the top" or should that be a "too much under the bottom!" Also I imagine a lot of the water isn't going to percolate into the trap because of the position of the fountain.

Just nit-picking really, because the idea is tremendous. Very well done.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:27 pm    Post subject: build a pondless day usa Reply with quote

thanks kindredspirit.before i came home peter and ponddigger plummed it ,so it can be used for rain water harvesting. yours ponddigger
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: build a pondless day usa Reply with quote

ponddigger wrote:
so it can be used for rain water harvesting.


Dont spoil it.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:54 am    Post subject: pondless water feature Reply with quote

hi vulkan.learnt a lot on the course in usa .david was right on a post a few years ago ,we are years behind in water feature construction. yours ponddigger
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="kindredspirit" I imagine a lot of the water isn't going to percolate into the trap because of the position of the fountain.

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Thats exactly right, the waters is showing on the path in picture.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:45 pm    Post subject: pondless usa Reply with quote

hi rockworld,if you look at photo no 2 there is plenty of epdm rubber liner,to hold all the water flowing back into the plastic water blocks.the picture i took is not very good ,to show water flowing back in to the tank.going back to a old post in nov 2008 with david.where can one do a osae pond building course. yours ponddigger
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:50 am    Post subject: Re: pondless usa Reply with quote

ponddigger wrote:
hi rockworld,if you look at photo no 2 there is plenty of epdm rubber liner,to hold all the water flowing back into the plastic water blocks.the picture i took is not very good ,to show water flowing back in to the tank.

Pondigger,
Let me start by saying the concept of using a water feature for an insurance company advertising is imaginative in concept.
Getting on to practicality of build there is clearly water on the ground surrounding the water feature, can you agree with this?
The excess liner you mention in picture 2 would have been trimed back (as you would have seen yourself on the course, Yes?)
A rule of thumb that is practiced by experienced water feature specialists is that the height of the water fountain is designed in such a way that all water ends up in the pond, not on the surrounding ground (typically maximum height of fountain is less than radius of pond). For commercial water displays we add wind measurement control to vary height of fountain according to wind speed. Thus we ensure that all water stays in pond area, that's a basic principal of good fountain design.

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.going back to a old post in nov 2008 with david.where can one do a osae pond building course. yours ponddigger

I have not seen the post you refer to, perhaps you can add a link to it so that I can help you.
I presume when you mention "osea" you refer to Oase, (Oase being a long established German company specialising in water features). You can google them to see their website and gets lots of information. On the Oase website you can go though a full design and equipment tutorial and you can also contact them to find date of next course. I hope that this helps
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:05 am    Post subject: pondless Reply with quote

hi rockworld, this pondless features works,the water goes back in to the tank.the post i read was on sat nov 22 2008.yours ponddigger
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is there water on the ground then?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:01 am    Post subject: pondless Reply with quote

hi rockworld.the simple answer is, every one on the course was messing around with the value for the water gussing up.please let me know about the oase pond building course yours ponddigger
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: pondless Reply with quote

ponddigger wrote:
hi rockworld.the simple answer is, every one on the course was messing around with the value for the water gussing up.

So you are saying that this water always end up in the pond area?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:59 am    Post subject: pondless Reply with quote

hi rockworld, yes photo no 3 shows the pipe comming out of the snorkel this pipe goes more to the centre .the photo i took does not show this .i will try to get peter to send me a better one for you.please let me know about the oase pond building course. yours ponddigger
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to disagree



The water jet is clearly coming from next to the front right wheel of the car, the edging rocks are surrounding the edge (funny that) but the water jet is clearly taller than it is from the edge of the pool.

To have a water jet near the edge of a pool it should be no more than its height.

So if a jet is 4 feet tall, it should be no closer than 4 feet from the edge of a pool

If you do this, water splash and wind will mean the water will NOT return to the pool and will over time empty the pool.

The jet in the above picture clearly is closer than its height from the edge, which is a bad design, not to mention the fact the water is no where near the hydrant where it should be, again, another design error
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:39 am    Post subject: pondless Reply with quote

hi vulkan,the jet of water is not that strong ,it was turned by a value to about 2 feet high.this is only to give the look that it hit the hydrant water comes off the roof af the insurance building via the down spout and in to the plastic water blocks yours ponddigger
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