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Seeds in a propogator - dying :-(


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:06 pm    Post subject: As promised Reply with quote

Here are some shots of the growth...


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Starting off, filled the seed tray to brim with soil.
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Then soaked the soil...well, dampened it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:08 pm    Post subject: Planted the seeds Reply with quote

Next step...


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Used an old pen to drill holes in each seed pod, and dropped 3 or 4 into each.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:10 pm    Post subject: 5 days in Reply with quote

Five or six days in and there are signs of growth. Not all, but a few above ground.

I kept the heat on 24 hours a day, watered very lightly after 3 days, and opened the vents daylight hours most days (missed 1 I think.)



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:26 pm    Post subject: Day 7 Reply with quote

More above ground now. Some very slanted over, so have left vents open al the time now. Wondering about turnign off heat, but worried as it is cold.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Afternoon galwaybeginner,

They look a bit leggy alright but they might fill out, one never knows. I find they go leggy when there is a lack of light. Are you growing them on a window sill, did you try some outside of the propogator on a window sill without heat, are you sure your seeds need propogator heat to germinate. Are u still watering from the top instead of standing the tray in a bowl water for a couple of mins. This I find is better as it doesn't damage the seedlings.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't tried any outside the propogator. Yes, on windowsill...or just inside a bay window actually.
I've been watering from both actually. From the top before planting and bottom a few days ago. rying to avoid the temptation to water them as think I did a bit too much before.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anything I tried to produce on a window sill was always leggy, probably not facing the right way. I remember reading somewhere that u should rotate them 180 degrees every day.

There's a question now for somebody who has the experience. What aspect is best for seed sowing on window sills Question

The weight of the tray or cells in u'r case will tell u whether they need to be watered or not. Just make a mental note of the weight of the wetted compost before u sow and you'll be able to judge from that whether they need a little water or not. Little and often as opposed to a flood.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just thought I should say I'd love to experiment with you, side by side, but moved house 3 months ago and don't have my shed or greenhouse up yet.
Hopefully after christmas.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny you should mention rotating - I was just in closing the vent for the night and thought I'd try rotating, but then wondered if it would be bad for them - confuse them as to where the sun will rise. Sure I'll give it a try...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be growing more after Christmas, so would be gfood to do a side by side, see how things differ. More interestingly, side my side in polytunnels would show the difference the tiny difference in sunlight from Cork to Galway makes, and different soils...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you do not state what seeds you are raising. A propagator on a window sill is a poor substitute for a glasshouse or tunnel as there is no light directly overhead. it is far more difficult to get seeds to germinate and grow at this time of year than in the spring when days are lengthening and light has different wavelength content, Plants will always grow towards the light that is why they lean to one side. While they may have enough heat and moisture and plant food to grow they do not have enough light of the right wavelength to carry on photosynthesis( making sugars and starch in the leaves in the presence of sunlight and chlorophyll) sorry that there is no simpler way to explain it. If plants are not growing they are prone to picking up diseases and in this case damping off or Botrytis is the probable culprit. raising temperature to reduce the humidity helps but it also strains the plant which does not have enough light. Avoid fluctuations of temperatures, most subjects like a temperature of 50-65 F.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep, think you've hit the nail on the head there Michael, didn't know anything about wavelengths etc, thanx for the info.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

galwaybeginner wrote:
I'll be growing more after Christmas, so would be gfood to do a side by side, see how things differ. More interestingly, side my side in polytunnels would show the difference the tiny difference in sunlight from Cork to Galway makes, and different soils...


I hope to have a container in before christmas and the greeenhouses up by the end of January, so look forward to that.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

galwaybeginner wrote:
Funny you should mention rotating - I was just in closing the vent for the night and thought I'd try rotating, but then wondered if it would be bad for them - confuse them as to where the sun will rise. Sure I'll give it a try...


Worth a try, hopefully u won't end up with corkscrew type stems Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Michael. It is a variety of seeds I have growing, with this set consisting of carrots, caulis, and onions I think. WHat you say about sunlight makes perfect sense. It also explains why the ones I had presumed dead miracuously revived once put into the tunnel.

I might transplant the current set out there early. See how they do.

@AJ - brilliant. lmao
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