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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:59 pm    Post subject: apple trees pollination Reply with quote

I think i have made a mistake---i bought 2 Ballyfatten apple trees and didn't get a different variety for cross pollination.Will they still bear fruit although maybe as not as heavy yield with another variety?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the variety is new to me, you will probably be alright as most varieties are diploids and are partly self fertile, only bramly seedling is a triploid and self sterile. the bees will do the necessary pollination for you.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

as a plant breeder, I'm well aware of Triploid and diploid, do you not think you should offer some explanation of these terms for he people you are dealing with, otherwise it means nothing more than wise-cracking.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ballyfatten apple tree is an old Irish tree--i think originally from Derry?Just to add i have also planted a Crab Apple recently--so will this help with pollination?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

corfiot wrote:
The Ballyfatten apple tree is an old Irish tree--i think originally from Derry?Just to add i have also planted a Crab Apple recently--so will this help with pollination?


Do they both flower about the same time corfiot?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

michael brenock wrote:
the variety is new to me, you will probably be alright as most varieties are diploids and are partly self fertile, only bramly seedling is a triploid and self sterile. the bees will do the necessary pollination for you.
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Not quite correct, actually. There are many triploid varieties besides Bramley: Blenheim Orange, Suntan, Warner's King, Ribston Pippin etc. etc. Also, many diploid varieties are not self-fertile, and you will end up with few (or no) apples.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ballyfatten, by the way, is a diploid; as Verge indicated, if your Crab-apple blossoms at thesame time as your Ballyfattens, you should be in business!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, so now all you beginners now know what diploid and triploid mean Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liparis wrote:
OK, so now all you beginners now know what diploid and triploid mean Rolling Eyes
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Perhaps you'd like to explain it yourself? Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I object to such terms being used in places like this when they aren't accompanied by at least a brief description. To me it does strike me as wise-ass cracks and I often wonder if responsible parties actually know the full extent of what they're talking about. It often turns out to be too little knowledge made out to be by an expert and does nothing but confuse those wanting to know. I had hoped that the original poster would have done the decent thing and offered up an explanation, obviously not!
However, diploid is a term used to decribe a person, plant, animal etc, etc. which has the normal two sets of chromosomes within the cell. While triploid has three sets of chromosomes. The term in use for plants is 2N and 3N. Plants are ocassionally treated, I'm not however, privy to what or how this treatment is given, but it is done to produce 4N (polyploidy) plants which produce more flowers of a larger size and very much improved on colour, fruiting is greatly enhanced.
2N and 3N plants cannot fertlise each other, but 4N can fertilise 2N but the resulting 3N plants are infertile. Triploid human and many other higher animal foetuses are usually spontaniously aborted.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! Shocked I'm not sure anyone will be much wiser for reading that! Perhaps if we just say that a triploid's pollen is no good, and if you plant a triploid, you need a diploid to pollinate it and another diploid to pollinate the pollinator.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smile your probably right, but hit and run advice is probably less helpful Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

now i`m really confused!wasnt interested till kicked off,do you mean,a girl ,a boy and a hairdresser?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Another post on the subject here by a member, it may make things more clear. Fruit pollination in a nutshell.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liparis----i was only asking for advise,as i understand if you have 2 apple trees of the same the cropping will be low.As i have no neighbours and no other apple trees in the area i thought planting another tree would help--unlike yourself!!!
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